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Sidi Ustadh Mohammed Daniel,



I sometimes read and post on a popular forum on the internet and yesterday I was shocked to find that a person had posted a link to a sport video that should not only showed a man in shorts above the knee, but also young women dressed in short skirts and t-shirts.  I wrote a polite note telling the brother that he should not post such links that show the ‘awrah’.  My post was deleted and these were some of the comments that were posted which I found fairly sad because they are responsible people in their communities and one is even a translator of Islamic texts.



You have to look pretty hard to find the awrah of women in that picture. Plus you forgot to mention the male batter who's shorts are at least an inch above his knees!

Khalid Muneer

 

Are they not children, apart from the coach (who's covered)?

Khalid Williams

 

They are all children which is why I find the naseeha somewhat freaky.

Haroon Ravat

 

They were children but some people are easily excited so maybe that's why you recieved the naseeha.

Ali Zahoor

 

Very strange. Plus the critical post has mysteriously disappeared.

Khalid Muneer

 

Can you please look at the link I sent you privately and tell me if I was right or not in what I said as I am confused how these people can disagree.

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بسم اللہ الرحمن الرحيم

 

First of all, I would like to thank you for the gheera (honourable jealousy) you have shown in preserving this deen.  Many people would see such a thing and let it go by which is contrary to the principles of forbidding the evil.  May Allah increase your zeal and obedience in this deen.

 

Secondly, rather than view the link, I had a sister view it and she confirmed that the ostensible children had qualities that are synonymous with puberty in young women such as breasts.  She also added that it was clearly stated that one of the players is 15 years old.

 

Now, if this is the case and I have no reason to doubt the sister’s honesty, then to view this clip is haraam and the person who posted it is accountable not only for their actions, but for the actions of everyone who views the clip after them.  The proof for this is in the authentic hadith collected by Imam Muslim (RA) in his Sahih:

 

Our Beloved and the Most Blessed (salahu alayhi wasalam) said,

 

"Whoever, commences a good deed in Islam gets its reward and the reward granted to anyone who commits it after him without any reduction in the reward of the doer himself. And anyone who commences a bad deed in Islam he bears its sin and the sin of anyone who does it after him, without any reduction in the sin of the doer himself."

Finally, it is worthwhile pointing out an issue that many people are ignorant of the correct definition of an adult in Islam and when it becomes incumbent upon a guardian to ensure that their children cover their awrah.

 

In Islam, a person becomes an adult when they reach the age of bulugh (puberty).  It then becomes incumbent upon them to observe all fardh (obligatory) actions that they have the ability to observe.  They become responsible for their actions and are also required to ensure that their awrah is covered at all times, except from those from whom it is permissible to view.  Of course reaching puberty varies from child-to-child but there is Ijma (consensus) that the age of 15 lunar years (14yrs 7mths) is the maximum age.  However, the Fuqaha have also stated that a female murahiq (child nearing puberty) must be requested by her parents to wear Hijab and cover her awrah before she reaches bulugh.

 

Anyone who believes that young women who have developed breasts and are aged 15 solar years have not reached the age of puberty are either very naïve, ignorant of basic Islamic Fiqh or from another planet.  Yes, there is the argument that the age of puberty differs from region to region depending on various socio-economic factors and I am fully aware of this having been born and brought up in England, however, and so that nobody can dismiss my anecdotal evidence, I have provided you with this link in order for these people to read the definition of puberty according to the National Health Service of England (officially and politically responsible to the government).  It states clearly,

 

Most girls will begin puberty at 8-14 years of age, with the average age being 11. Girls develop more quickly than boys. Most girls reach full sexual maturity within four years of beginning puberty.”

 

In closing, I would advise you to continue defending the true teachings of Islam even if others perceive you as ghareeb (strange) because our Beloved (salahu alayhi wasalam) has given glad tidings for people like you.  Do not become discontented by the asinine comments of people who obviously lack basic Islamic knowledge and who may also benefit from picking up an English dictionary to view the definition of the word children.

And Allah knows best.

MD

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This is the link to original post.
-ummuhummud


The post has now been deleted so there is no need to direct there.


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Thank you Sidi for the wise answer.  I tried to post it back on the same forum with my own notes but was banned so I got a sister to help me and she posted but they still kept making excuses and saying that it was 'pragmatic' and 'we should get used to looking if we live in the West'.

Allah guide us all

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Mash Allah, it is good to hear that the post was deleted.  I think it is good to remind everyone of this hadith:

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